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But given Bob's issues, and finding out that the man he loved didn't love him back caused him to snap. Third of all, to keep repeating that Gene wasn't much to look at?

Looks aren't everything. Apparently, Gene was nice to Bob when he had no1 and stayed to himself. Perhaps Bob mistook that friendliness for something more and fell in love with him,hoping for it to be reciprocated.

This article is a joke. Oh, honey, don't get your knickers in a snit! I agree with you that rejection caused Bob to snap.

But with the climate of homophobia out there, one should not act until one is certain the object of their affection actually is gay!

Now, go have some coffee, dear! This article was wrote by someone to ignorant.. I mean to tall about ones looks and to basically use this case to preach there own problems basically grow up..

Don't tell me to grow up, lamb chop! Develop some self enlightment, before you end up like the rest of White Trash America. I saw this on the ID channel and yes, it was a very strange, bizarre and unfortunate story.

With that being said, Bob had no one to support but himself so income wise I'm sure he was in a good position.

Tasha, Thanks for sharing, and the info on air traffic controllers; I had no idea they were so well paid. Though, with the skills required it makes sense.

Feel free to drop in here, anytime! I think he disposed of it. He wanted this man's sex so badly.

For yrs probably. If I can't have it no one ever will. Look up penile amputation. I will. I mean, not a topic of my favor, despite some of the stuff I write on here.

But I never thought of that in terms of this case! Very, very sad story I think I would have an awful lot of anger to work thru, had it been my husband this happened to.

Bob's family said he was openly gay! Yet in all those years, he never told Gene or anyone at work. The whole thing is tragic, and why I feel, as a gay man myself, that being closeted is the worst.

Bob at the time this murder occurred probably could not declare himself Gay. While corporate America hires gay men it does not encourage people to declare their open sexual preferences.

As a psychotherapist I have noticed that Gay men who pursue other men don't care if the man they pursue is a genuine Heterosexual. They will delusion-ally believe that they will be able to convert the hetero man to love them, becoming gay in the process.

This is of course naive thinking. The one moral to this story is that a person should be somewhat skeptical if someone else is giving you too much attention that you have no intention of reciprocating, especially if the person is of the same sex.

Gene let this charade go on too long without being forceful enough to end it. Listen, hon, not every gay man pursues straights and tries to convert them.

Speaking from experience, I can say that while there are many straight men out there I might find attractive, it would never occur to me to hit on them.

What would be the point? I don't understand what either one of their looks had to do with this article.

One was obviously mentally ill, and the other a born again Christian. For a community that is always preaching tolerance, and acceptance,your article just shows how classless and bitchy you truly are.

No one knows what took place while the two men were alone before Bob slaughtered Gene so mercilessly. The way I took the scenario they put forth, was that Gene said the unchristian part would be him committing adultery against his wife.

Having said that, it is so unfair to espouse tolerence and acceptance ONLY if people agree with your opinion. For people who believe that the Bible means what it says, adultery is a sin as well as homosexuality, as well as a whole list of things God doesn't quantify sin, except for being an infidel, man does that.

We all sin but we are suppose to TRY not to. Bob was so screwed up, it wouldn't have matter how he rejected his sexual advances, the last disturbing sentence of the letter proves that And by the way, murder is listed in the Bible as a sin too.

Maria, While I admit my posts can be sometimes bitchy, it is usually intentional, not the case here. I have a low opinion of Florida and its overbearing values, based on 30 years of experience my father and relations.

Bob should have realized to be gay there was a big mistake, added to which there was not much there. As for looks, let me say gay men are often vainer than women supposedly are said to be.

Catherine, OK, he was gung ho about The Bible. I get that. But, as you said, murder gets top billing in terms of sins, and, just because he erred, there was no need to commit murder or sexual mutilation here.

It must have been embarrassing for Bob, as he must have gotten the mistaken impression both were on the same page, so to speak.

Any gay men--and I am one--have made a mistake or two in their time. But I don't know any who have killed over it. We just move on. Unknown, I will admit to an outrageousness about my style, but strange?

Would love to hear your explanation. Oh, Honey, Get Over It! Aren't you a bit behind the times? And think about what you do--pissing into a beer can on a coffee table from across the room of your trash trailer, while staring at your White Surpremacist Confederate flag, and then sucking wisdom from your mother's teat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There was only one victim and that was Gene. Who cares if Bob was tormented. That does not give home carte blanche to murder someone.

Tired of the crutch people use. Yup doesnt matter who was gay who was not BOB was bat shit crazy.. A sicko rapist stalker and a murderer..

Fuck him good riddance! Cheryl, Hey, you are entitled to your opinion. But I never said Bob was justified doing what he did.

And the only thing I find insulting in the gay community--of which I am a member--is its occasional superficiality. Your lack of compassion for the torment Bob was going through-- and again I am not justifying what he did--makes me question the kind of person you are.

And you call me an awful person? I wouldn't so judgemental Nurslaura37, I don't dispute what you say about Bob. But stop to think what made him this way--he was troubled long before meeting Gene.

We don't know Bob's back story, but I bet the anti-gay climate he was most likely raised around contributed to his mental state.

The tragedy is he did not get the help he needed, or none of this would have happened. I worked at a courthouse and the restraining orders I saw, mostly for women trying to escape men, but a few the other way, were terrifying.

It's a mental health issue. Further, you did not address the issue of how you seemed to have been present to witness Gene's rejection.

Many people I love are gay,and you do them a disservice when you use his sexual orientation as an excuse for a heinous and despicable act.

Attagirl, I never said Bob doing what he did was justified. Nor did I say it stemmed from his homosexuality. I agree he was mentally ill.

But it cannot be denied the homosexual issues, never resolved, were a component. I worked at an LGBQT violence project as a volunteer and was appalled at how much domestic abuse is out there in the gay community.

It knows no bounds. I appreciate your comments. But, again, I don't think I was using Bob's homosexuality as the sole excuse for what he did.

It was wrong to do, but gay issues nevertheless contributed to it. Well, Nancy! You are a wicked queen! Look in a mirror????

Back at you, dear? Who is the fairest one of all. Seriously, I wanted to alert you and all commentators on this piece that this story is going to be done again, on ID, next Saturday night, on the series, "The Killer Beside Me.

This story is so disturbing because these people were so completely unaware of this guy's sickness until it was too late.

It's important to note that this was an act committed by a psychopath who, like Jeffrey Dahmer, wanted to possess the object of his fixation by force.

He didn't see Gene as a person, and that's important to understand when you assume any repression of homosexuality had anything to do with it.

In fact, I think it's hurtful and unfair to even factor it in. As you said, you were born in a time when homosexuality was considered sexual deviancy, and despite your own orientation I wonder if you don't still kind of believe it.

Lots of people are repressed, abused, persecuted, rejected, and victimized. They don't brutally murder and mutilate people because of it.

Homosexuality is no different. This man stalked and killed another human being because he had no ability to feel remorse or compassion, not because he was gay and not because someone reacted wrong.

There are too many of these anti-social disorders in the world now. Frontal lobe damage from lead exposure? I don't know, but I don't trust anyone anymore.

Jesus, how do you know what happened when Thurnau got shot? How do you know Bob was spurned and treated to anti gay sentiments.

What a stupid, silly post here. Making fun of a fucked up situation that has nothing to do with Gay Rights, or Straight Rights or anything lik that.

This Bob guy was just mentally disturbed, first and foremost. Raven Queen I love your sense of humor and realize your review was done in a light hearted manner and not with vicious intent.

I stumbled on this by accident but I wish I knew how and where I would go to read your blogs. Love your style my dear. The whole story is sad Bob was not a victim in this case..

I guarantee it I pray his wife family and friends are given the ability to be at peace.. I don't know why anyone would ever say there were 2 victims.

That's laughable, there was one. Gene got killed for being friendly. It blows my mind someone would feel sorry for bob after what he did to the only person who was nice to him.

This article is terrible! You should be ashamed! You all but blamed the victim for his own murder! All he did was try to be a nice, warm, and welcoming person and this psycho killed him.

He took a wonderful person from this world and you make light of that fact in this article. Two things bothered me about your article.

Your writing style, opinions, and use of the! I believe you may suffer from some sort of mental illness. I found this odd seeing as you literally have no idea what happened because, well Someone who was innocent was murdered.

You disgust me!! To The Raving Queen. I loved this article. I just watched this episode on Stranger beside me.

You article was intriguing, funny and kept me wanting more. Keep doing what your doing. You stand out from the rest.

Seems to me Gene and his wife especially Gene should have known something was wrong with Bob, buying the same truck Gene had, following Gene from Nebraska to Florida and buying his house from him.

To me those were dead giveaways and Gene should have stopped it. This is a really sad story about what happened to Gene.

I agree, better out the closet than in. There Bob's psychosis was emphasized more than his homosexuality.

I agree people who get rejecred, gay or straifht, do not resort to murder, so there were problems.

I have never denied that. But not enough of Bob's back story is known to understand what made him this way. Pat In Jersey, I have never denied Bob was mentally disturbed.

The recent program on this case made it abundantly clear, There is a reason for Bob's disturbance, and that has never been explored.

Even if he were abused, this does not justify killing and mutilating Gene. But Bob's act was the culmination of something, not a beginning.

Theresa, I agree with what you say. Ultimately the story is so sad. For all concerned. I got the impression Gene's wife was more astute.

She knew something was not right, but just chalked it up to Bob being eccentric and a loner. Even had Bob not been gay, his behavior would have been thought strange.

I agree with you, the purchasing of the same truck would have been a red flag. And transferring to the same company. Gene's brother said that was a hard thing to get, so how did Bob manage it in three months?

Some kind of manipulation on his part. Unknown, Thank you so much. I am glad you enjoyed the piece. Feel free to drop on here, anytime.

Jenny, The Owl Lady, Hoo! Take a chill pin, hon. Actually there were multiple victims--Gene's wife, members of her and Bob's families were victims, as well.

Jaye Jaye poor thing could not bring herself to mention the gential mutilation, and I do not blame you.

Are you from Salem, darling? Because calling me a moron, would be like me accusing you of witchcraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brandon, Let's start with the confrontation.

Actually, even the programmers do not know how it went down, because as you and others correctly state, no one was there but Gene and Bob.

My opinions are who I am. If you cannot deal with it, then voice your disagreement or stay away. I haven't had many comments recently about!!!!!!!

This post was originally written several years ago, when they were more rampant. Again, deal with it! Merry Melodies, I believe the program said there was an autopsy done.

Nothing was found in the stomach. If things had been anywhere else in him, they would have turned up. Granted, it is mysterious that it vanished.

My guess is Bob killed Gene in Gene's home, did the mutiliation there, and dumped it in some watery Florida enclave, where it would never be found!!!!!!!!!

Hannah, I have repeatedly said Gene's murder was not justified. But I still say had the situation been handled better, he might still be alive.

But Gene--and I don't blame him for this--was clueless. Not only did he get Bob was gay, how could he have known Bob would stalk him?

Anyone who has faces stalking has no idea, until it happens to them. So I do not blame Gene. I never did. What I wish was that more of Bob's back story was known.

It may explain how he got to the point that he did. And had this happened before, with any other men? Mark, What Bob did to Gene was horrible, but something in his background drove him to it.

And that was never explained. If I feel sorry for Bob, it is because I believe some extended trauma early in life pushed him to this.

Bob may have been engineered chemically as a ticking time bomb and I can accept that. But combine that with trauma, and, sooner or later, the bomb will go off.

Shelly, Thank you for your kind words. You can read my posts by typing in The Raving Queen at Google, or linking on to www. Hope you find more to enjoy!

ID sometimes repackages their stories. Saw this one a few nights ago under a different title. Yeah, Bob, whether straight or gay, had a lot of mental problems.

Pining for a guy who isn't interested in you is one thing, killing him a whole different thing.

Too bad old Gene didn't have a gun in his pocket. Gene was okay looking, but Bob was a total troll.

Sad all around. Slim Jim, I agree Bob was a total troll. Not that trolls cannot find love, but Gene was, shall we say, out of his league.

Being gay and unattractive does not necessarily mean one cannot find a partner. I am no Jake Gyllenhaal, but have been happily married for a time now.

That said, poor Gene never had a clue. When Bob purchased the truck, that should have been a red flag.

But Gene and his wife just chalked up the weirdness to eccentricity. Nothing dangerous or threatening. If Bob had been rational, and Gene more astute, this tragedy might have been avoided.

I agree with you, it was sad all around. Thanks for the comment. Good article. I'm fascinated by this story cause it's bat shit crazy Nothing at all.

That was the first sign he was losing it. Bob was just to unassuming and too naive. King Elite, I agree with you, but Bob was not mentally stable.

Unattractive folk find partners; not all couples out there, gay or straight, are of Hollywood caliber.

The first sign of trouble, I think, was following Gene when he moved. Which is why I wanted more of Bob's back story. Things had been going wrong long before this.

Thanks for your comments. I am glad you enjoyed the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was a very unusual and interesting case that I saw on ID channel.

I thought I would do some research to try and get more information. How disrespectful and nasty of a person can you be!

Bashton T. Paahty, Maybe if you had read beyond the first two sentneces, you would have grasped their context.

Maybe not. Because others who have read the whole thing have stated what you did. I will say this. I welcome your opinion, but it is fascinating to me that this post is, if not the most, one of the most frequently commented upon.

Were this a man-woman story, would it have elicited the same comments, or amount? I wonder. Gender and sexuality have nothing to do with it.

Your lack of compassion and disrespect is the issue. Remember these men especially Gene but including Bob have people who loved them.

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Feel free to drop on here, anytime. Jenny, The Owl Lady, Hoo! Take a chill pin, hon. Actually there were multiple victims--Gene's wife, members of her and Bob's families were victims, as well.

Jaye Jaye poor thing could not bring herself to mention the gential mutilation, and I do not blame you. Are you from Salem, darling? Because calling me a moron, would be like me accusing you of witchcraft!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brandon, Let's start with the confrontation. Actually, even the programmers do not know how it went down, because as you and others correctly state, no one was there but Gene and Bob.

My opinions are who I am. If you cannot deal with it, then voice your disagreement or stay away.

I haven't had many comments recently about!!!!!!! This post was originally written several years ago, when they were more rampant.

Again, deal with it! Merry Melodies, I believe the program said there was an autopsy done. Nothing was found in the stomach. If things had been anywhere else in him, they would have turned up.

Granted, it is mysterious that it vanished. My guess is Bob killed Gene in Gene's home, did the mutiliation there, and dumped it in some watery Florida enclave, where it would never be found!!!!!!!!!

Hannah, I have repeatedly said Gene's murder was not justified. But I still say had the situation been handled better, he might still be alive.

But Gene--and I don't blame him for this--was clueless. Not only did he get Bob was gay, how could he have known Bob would stalk him?

Anyone who has faces stalking has no idea, until it happens to them. So I do not blame Gene.

I never did. What I wish was that more of Bob's back story was known. It may explain how he got to the point that he did.

And had this happened before, with any other men? Mark, What Bob did to Gene was horrible, but something in his background drove him to it.

And that was never explained. If I feel sorry for Bob, it is because I believe some extended trauma early in life pushed him to this.

Bob may have been engineered chemically as a ticking time bomb and I can accept that. But combine that with trauma, and, sooner or later, the bomb will go off.

Shelly, Thank you for your kind words. You can read my posts by typing in The Raving Queen at Google, or linking on to www.

Hope you find more to enjoy! ID sometimes repackages their stories. Saw this one a few nights ago under a different title.

Yeah, Bob, whether straight or gay, had a lot of mental problems. Pining for a guy who isn't interested in you is one thing, killing him a whole different thing.

Too bad old Gene didn't have a gun in his pocket. Gene was okay looking, but Bob was a total troll. Sad all around. Slim Jim, I agree Bob was a total troll.

Not that trolls cannot find love, but Gene was, shall we say, out of his league. Being gay and unattractive does not necessarily mean one cannot find a partner.

I am no Jake Gyllenhaal, but have been happily married for a time now. That said, poor Gene never had a clue.

When Bob purchased the truck, that should have been a red flag. But Gene and his wife just chalked up the weirdness to eccentricity.

Nothing dangerous or threatening. If Bob had been rational, and Gene more astute, this tragedy might have been avoided. I agree with you, it was sad all around.

Thanks for the comment. Good article. I'm fascinated by this story cause it's bat shit crazy Nothing at all. That was the first sign he was losing it.

Bob was just to unassuming and too naive. King Elite, I agree with you, but Bob was not mentally stable. Unattractive folk find partners; not all couples out there, gay or straight, are of Hollywood caliber.

The first sign of trouble, I think, was following Gene when he moved. Which is why I wanted more of Bob's back story.

Things had been going wrong long before this. Thanks for your comments. I am glad you enjoyed the post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This was a very unusual and interesting case that I saw on ID channel.

I thought I would do some research to try and get more information. How disrespectful and nasty of a person can you be!

Bashton T. Paahty, Maybe if you had read beyond the first two sentneces, you would have grasped their context. Maybe not. Because others who have read the whole thing have stated what you did.

I will say this. I welcome your opinion, but it is fascinating to me that this post is, if not the most, one of the most frequently commented upon.

Were this a man-woman story, would it have elicited the same comments, or amount? I wonder. Gender and sexuality have nothing to do with it.

Your lack of compassion and disrespect is the issue. Remember these men especially Gene but including Bob have people who loved them.

The article would have been informative without the comic relief seeing that it missed its mark and instead displayed a plain lack of compassion.

Because you are a nut, not because you are gay, somehow you justify Bob's actions because he is a homosexual. Quit being a queen and be you.

As it is, you embody the same disgusting traits as gay bashers: blind devotion to all that is homosexual. Baahston Paahy, I am not unaware that both Bob and Gene had people who loved them.

In one of the posts--either this or the one I did regarding "The Killer Beside Me" expresses compassionate for those folk, who are victimized by this tragedy, too.

This could have happened no matter what gender or sexual orientation-- you are right about that--but I feel so many detracting comments stem from this being a matter between two men, and can't deal with it.

Deal with it, dolls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Primetime, Boy, are you misinformed! If you read the post, nowhere do I justify Bob's actions.

I can understand his motives, but I never said he was right in killing Gene. If you look carefully, somewhere I say that when Bob showed up at Gene's job, and then bought the exact same truck, those should have been red flags for Gene.

I'm nuts? You're the nut, Captain Marvel! As for being who I am, well, darling, this is it, so if you cannot handle it, go elsewhere!

This is when you see the most superficial aspects of the community--which I do not share. Now, go set your afternoon tea, dear!!!!!!!!!!!!

Queen, I found your blog by searching the victim and offender by name. Yours is one of the 1st sites that appeared. It has zero to do with any gay pride event or you being gay.

I respect you as a gay male. I am straight but firmly support your rights and do not stand behind anyone who feels gays are any less entitled to live freely and equally.

My issue with you has zero to do with your sexual orientation. Rather, you seem to think homosexuals are better than others and should be considered at least as a 2nd victim when they commit egregious actions.

Had Gene killed Bob because he would not accept Bob's homosexuality or even if he was able to get the gun, kill Bob in self-defense, I bet dollars doughnuts you would be outraged that the gay basher was a murderer.

The simple facts here all point to Bob as one sick fuck. Minimizing or justifying it in any way is just wrong. However, your lifestyle should be revered, with entire cities allowing gays to express pride for a week.

But damn the christians because they think differently. Hypocritical much? Fwiw, Queen, I do enjoy your writing style. It has the facts and humor.

You definitely inflect that you are a Queen no disrespect intended! I just think your deduction that Gene should have behaved differently to save his life and your empathy for Bob are way off.

I mean disturbingly off. Reading some of your other replies in the comments here, maybe what you wrote comes off a bit outside of your intent, but you still look at these events far differently than me.

I can agree to disagree! God Bless! Primetime, Of course I agree to disagree. That is what this fourm is all about. I actually do agree with you that Bob was one sick fuck; what I am interested in there is how his upbringing or peronsal experience led to his getting that way.

In the sense of having his life ruined, being driven to suicide, and ruining Gene and his family, I regard Bob as both perp and victim, since his family, too was touched by this tragedy.

I never considered your issues with me about sexual orientation. Though I have to admit, if you had asked me the same question about a gay basher, years back, I would probably have said, "String him up!

Feel free to peruse. I do lighten up, sometimes!!!!!!!!!!!! You must be one of those self righteous opinionated want to be's..

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that no one really knows what went on afterJaye Jaye left and for the sake of filling in the gaps the writers for the show surmised.

You must also be the kind of gay person that my gay friends have told me of in that you are an instigator and just expect that all heterosexual people anti gay.

You ate hateful and you didn't know these people. Neither of them would have cared about someone's choice gay or straight only if they were a decent person who treated others well regardless of their sexual preference,race, ethnicity, ect.

Gene did nothing to warrant what happened to him and Jaye Jaye doesn't deserve to have a sarcastic bigot like you putting your twisted version of her life on your pathetic blog.

Spread love not hate! I agree he would have killed her, too. He regarded her as the obstacle!

PharmRecruiter, Boy, are you off! Rad it again! I say how understanding Jaye Jaye tried to be, and how admirable of her not to hate Bob in the face of what happened.

Bob was sick, yes, but this had been building for a long time. Not much is known back story, and that's where all the gay hate must have started!

Never let the Devil in for the ride, because sooner or later he will wanna drive. Gene should have put his foot down when he saw Bob violating his and his wife's personal space.

Most people don't wanna be rude, but sometimes you just have to be, the devil won't play with you Unknown, I agree with you.

Gene was just not that aware, or, as you said, did not want to be rude. Vette, This story was done twice on two different ID programs.

I think you're an idiot. And the tone of your narrative and describing this act of evil is bizarre. You seem amused by it all.

There's only one victim here and it ain't Bob. You are an awful person. These people are dead!

Families are left with despair. Show some respect. Being gay doesn't entitle you to be a jerk! Unknown, I am not denying mental instability in Bob.

I believe had Bob been straight, the story would have played out similarly-- except the victim would have been a woman. I disagree there is only one Bob victim.

Bob was mentally ill. He took his life less out of fear of jail then of despair over if he could not have Gene, he could not have no one.

Loneliness is an emotional killer among the gay community. Believe me! I was not trying to be a jerk. I was trying to point out how Bob was in need of help he did not get, and so became as unstable as he did.

Gene had no clue Bob was ill--this is not his fault-- rather the two deficiencies created a perfect storm. I feel for the victims and the families.

Jay Jay at one point said that while she is saddened, she cannot find it in herself to hate Bob.

I don't say gays do jerky things, and I have written some riotous pieces on here! But that's not what I was going for, here.

Sweeet tea, darling?????????? Ok, let me start by admitting that I laughed out loud pretty hard when you talk about going to the kitchen and shoving the Jello Choc pudding down the guy's throat and saying 'EAT THIS!!

I love that I have had a lot of gay friends in my life dunno why, they are like moths to a flame to my admitted nuttiness and looks are so much a priority, and not being funny here, but none of them were any oil painting to look at.

I have just watched 'The Killer Beside Me' re. Gene had a big heart, a kindness about him and he sure loved his dogs a winner for me personally He seemed a lovely man, and I actually think he was not UNattractive at all and his heart made him more so.

It amazes me just how many ugly ass gay men set their standards way higher than what stares back at them in the mirror.

As for feeling sorry for Bob, hell no. He was out and about dicking many men before he latched on like a dose of the clap to poor Gene, so he was not some sad and pathetic loser who could not show his true self to the world.

He was just a sick stalker who wanted someone he could not have, well boo hoo hoo, we have all been there We build a bridge, get over it and get on with life.

Personally, I hope the asshole rots for what he did to a seemingly genuinely nice man. As a straight woman I can attest to the fact that they are bloody hard to come by these days!!

Unknown, I don't deny a lot of what you say, like the superficiality of some gay men. Speaking from experience, I think we all reach for the stars when young and are hormones are raging.

But the reality, when found, as I did, is so much better. You are right Bob was out getting lots of "action;" his problem was he had reached a point where he thought he had found the real thing, only he was wrong.

His sickness stemmed from not moving on, as most would. Gene, while victimized should have been more clued in--if a former coworker transferred to my job site, and bought a truck exactly like mine, red flags would go off for me.

Think of the movie "Single White Female. Gene and Jaye Jaye moreso. Oh, and, darlings, if you think finding a decent straight man is tough, going the gay route is even tougher.

For all reasons previously stated. I really lucked out, and thank God every day. Thanks for sharing!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you for your words why is any human being sitting here filling in gaps of such horrible tragedy?? You bored so sit here and judge the victims?

Humiliating the family of the man who lost his life for trying to be kind to someone who was a loner and what you say odd!!!

Get out here!! Gay has nothing to with this the crime this evil man did!! Sadist comes in all forms and beliefs!!! I feel for you on the closeted!

I have many gay family members and friends! I see their struggle and pain and happiness too!! Bob was gay ok and so what he was a man that was sick cause gay or straight the outcome would still be the same!!

If bob was infatuated with a woman well I feel this would be the case of the woman being killed.

Why did no one in that mans life not see earlier signs of being mentally ill or strange stalker? I mean the behavior shows badly why was gene the only one noticed?

You try to be kind and nice at work but very distance due to the feeling of fear and uncomfortable feeling you have.

You hear things outside your window and feel watched it long process that makes you crazy and desperate to make it stop!!

He let it go on??! Please cause I know first hand how he felt and for being a man and man thought more that he just clingy and not all there in the head.

I feel their needs to be more awareness for this!! It happens more than world sees!! I know the scare the fear I am lucky to survive my case!!

Single parent and being working one that took all hours 6 days week! Scary and call police all we want but they too can only do so much.

Wow I missed who said gays pursue straight!! Wow so uneducated or blind from world? Your being taught inside a box never let others tell you what is what without getting out there and seeing for yourself!

Wow get to know people without stereotyping! I love all no matter what!! We all are humans so why do we pick and choose what and who is accepting.

That alone kills me my heart hurts cause what was wrong with him? He was sick he needed some help and no one helped him!! This tells me people need to stop being so selfish and about themselves so can realize a soul in need!!

Bob showed many signs and I just saw this on ID!! Awareness could help prevent this kind of thing to not happen!!

Awareness only can happen if we stop being selfless. Be that person and step in!! You see it or notice anything odd step in!!

Never know you can be one to change a outcome. I saw this today on ID, and several things struck me as very odd. Not to be disrespectful of the dead, but I wondered if maybe there was a relationship between the two men in the past that might have inspired Bob to follow Gene from one state to another?

I say this because he Bob obviously went to great lengths to be with him Gene. Gene was a Christian, so that would have been a definite no-no.

Also he was previously married for 20 plus years with no children, and he and his present wife were using artificial means of conceiving..

Inquisitive, I saw this same story on two different programs. I never got the idea there had been any relationship between Gene and Bob, other than Gene showing him friendship.

As you said, Gene was Christian, which would have prevented his having a homosexual relationship. The relationship was something manufactured in Bob's disturbed mind.

Gene should have been more astute about what was going on, but, unfortunately, he was not. As for the children thing, I did not pick up on that.

I have known many childless straight couples who are perfectly happy. But sometimes, with the clock ticking, there can be a change of mind.

Thanks for your comments! Tasha, You certainly had a lot to say, and I am glad you were able to get it all out. I will try to respond to the points that stood out for me in your commentaries.

I agree Bob needed help. He had a brother, who knew Bob was gay, but may not have known how disturbed he was. That Bob was keeping a speaprate residence filled with sex toys says he was on the make.

His family may have tried to get him help, but he rejected it. Gene, I think, was the man Bob really wanted to be--some part of his was self-loathing, and that resulted in' the stalking, attraction, and obesseion.

If only Gene and his wife were aware of this type of behavior on Bob's part, this may not have happened. Mesi stopirao pregovore: Odlazi nakon 20 godina?

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